2012 Are we defined by our Input in the System?

The following is a discussion between Sheldon Thom and Bernard Poolman with regards to The Equal Money System:

"im going to discuss this with u first before i make this public, equality system is a noble gesture but how will u define it , everybody has differnt strength differnt level of intelligence some are retarded some are big some are small and will make a differnt levels of input into the system, so everybody all, cannot contribute equally to the system, for every body to recieve an equal output some will be geniouses and some will be retards "no direspect" some strong some weak, who will organize this, what i say is redefind equality system, to more of a balance form where each unit may not be equal in level of input or output but a balanced compatible eqilibrium" ~ Sheldon Thom's comment on the Equal Money System

"Equality is not based on input output --it is based on life -- animals will be supported although they cannot produce food for themselves for instance --equality is not only about the human --it is about all life in very form = the humans will require re education -- that will be the first primary task after the basic inequalities is removed to allow at the individual level a life of worth and self respect -- watch the documentary The Century of Self and hear how human nature is programmable -- this makes anything possible even for the socalled less intelligent as the measurement of intelligence is based on consumerism and capitalism without any understanding how learning in fact work.." ~ Reply from Bernard Poolman


Though Bernard Poolman already explained to this person how the Equal Money System will differ from the capitalist system wherein your 'skill' apparently determines your 'worth' in this world that is then equated through earning more money than another who is apparently 'less skilled' - I would still like to expand on this point, because this idea/belief that one must be/is defined and determined by ones input in the system of 'economics'(='the management of a household) lies at the bases of how a lot of people think and this belief is something that would serve as an apparent excuse for human beings to believe that the capitalist system is the ultimate system that values all beings within a set of parameters based on survival skills and working abilities through money in the best (fairest and most just) way possible and to therefore believe that the capitalist system should stay here forever more.

Let's address firstly the fact that within the statement of Sheldon Thom, the principle of capitalism is the undertone since a capitalist would consider their 'worth', as that which would be measured in the money they would earn in this world, as somehow 'greater' than the worth (earnings) of most other beings, a statement such as this where it is implied that for some reason a distinction must be made according to input in the system would after all only be made by those who already regard themselves as 'of greater worth' - and most importantly by those who WANT and DESIRE to FEEL more worthy than another, and who would then want a system in place that makes this distinction between humans as 'loser' vs. 'winner' and 'better' vs. 'less'/'worse' as measured through the money they earn.

These humans will not be satisfied to exist here on this planet just like every other being, equally worthy of existing, equally here, regardless of appearance or actions - no, they want to in some way be/feel/ experience themselves as 'more worthy' than another being, for whatever reason. To this end they will make up reasons and excuses that serve to apparently prove why they are in fact worth more than another being and therefore deserve more money/goods/stuff/earnings/prizes, reasons like 'but I do more', 'but I am smarter', 'but my IQ is higher', 'but I am stronger/I have more muscles', 'but I have worked so hard in my life', 'but I have studied much more in my life than another has', 'but I am older' - reasons that in itself aren't really proving one worth more than another, though they have been adapted to serve that purpose in the system of capitalism, because the entire capitalist system has only been designed to fuel the desire for power within humans - wherein only a few out of the billions of beings on earth get to actually obtain and experience some form of having power over other beings simply due to the FACT that not all can be winners, in fact for some to be winners most must be losers.

Another point that is crucial to understand within realizing and understanding why an Equal Money System is not about making the distinction between the apparent 'winners' and the apparent 'losers' of the world through rewards as how it is in capitalism, is that this desire to earn/have/obtain/get more than another human is based on the principle of 'survival of the fittest', wherein life has become nothing more than a game of trying to prove oneself as 'the best' and 'the winner'/'the victor', a game that has extremely abusive consequences as many are being disregarded and no one is really paying any attention to what is really directing this reality as each being is too busy trying to reach the top of the 'survival pyramid'. Through having allowed ourselves as human beings to become but players in this game of survival of the fittest and by having allowed ourselves to actually believe that this is 'what life is', we have never realized that while we may feel superior, more powerful and more worthy towards others because we have more money according to things we've done in this world, we have actually allowed ourselves to become quite inferior beings in terms of simply following a pre-designed path and trying to be the best at it, having given up ourselves/our lives completely to be 'the winner' in this already laid-out life-plan while never really taking any responsibility for life on earth.

We have missed the point of what it means to be God by desiring to FEEL like we are God as some energetic experience within ourselves fueled by the money that we have in our bank-account, instead of realizing that being God for real actually means to stand one and equal with all life that exist here and to direct life to become heaven on earth for all living beings as that is what God would do, which has got nothing to do with superiority or power or being better than another what so ever, it has to do with realizing yourself AS everything that exist and therein having the power to direct everything that exist for it to be able to reach its utmost potential. Being God is about being supportive and nurturing, not about exerting power over this creation as that is downright abusive.

So, this game of survival of the fittest that is being propagated through Capitalism will end with an Equal Money System - human beings will learn what it means to stand equal with another being instead of in constant competition and conflict. We will learn what it means to work together and support each other instead of being selfish and only having our own money/prize/earnings on our mind.

Therefore, those that do not want to let go of their perceived superiority that they wish to fuel through earning more money than another while leaving everyone else to rot away, they will not 'understand' or support an Equal Money System - as they do not want to realize themselves as equally existing with every other life-form that is here. They desire to remain in this Capitalist system that is hell on earth for most and apparent heaven for some through the unequal distribution of money and goods. They are the ones who will yell 'communists!!' at those that support the Equal Money System as an attempt to defend their ego and bring this Equal Money System down so they will not be confronted with the fact that they are just being selfish and don't really give a shit about life.


Get to know all about the Equal Money System at www.equalmoney.org and through reading the books and listening to the interviews at www.eqafe.com

And find the tools with which you may break the boundaries/chains/limitations of the ego as capitalism and realize yourself as life as oneness and equality to stand up and live the change that is needed in this world - at www.desteni.org

2012 why I listened to the Desteni Message

Desteni and their message can create much controversy in the realms of the internet, especially back when they had all their video's of Sunette as the interdimensional portal 'channeling' all conceivable beings in existence on youtube - these channels have been taken down by youtube because they were being flagged by beings who felt that the Desteni message wasn't 'resonating' with them, they felt threatened in some way - so, like I said, the Desteni message has created some controversy. Mainly because it is such an unusual message, that is brought in an unusual way - and human beings feel threatened by everything that is unusual, which we then all too automatically judge as 'weird', 'strange' and 'freaky', all words that we have assigned a negative emotional charge, so based on these judgments we will often decide that something is 'bad' and 'negative', not ever really fully understanding what is being presented to us because we're not really willing to investigate with an open mind.

This is something that I have noticed when I brought up Desteni in a conversation with friends and family and in the way that people sometimes react to the Desteni message as what those who are walking the Desteni process of self-change are expressing to the world. So what made me then hear the Desteni message? How come the Desteni message 'resonated' with me and not with many others?

The reason I ask myself this question is because if one were to fully investigate what Desteni is about and apply the tools that is being presented such as self forgiveness, self honesty and self-corrective application, one would come to the realization that what Desteni shares is the most important message that has ever been expressed in this reality - a message that would save us all, as something that we as all of humanity have been waiting for since the dawn of man. They present the ultimate solution to this world, a solution that is based on actual real life investigation and application of these tools that has proven its effectiveness through time and that has been brought forth by the people behind Desteni.

Looking back at when I discovered Desteni and the 'state of mind' that I was in that made me 'susceptible' to their message - I can say that I was in a general feeling of lostness, despair even, I felt like I had no sense of direction. Ever since I got out of high school I had been attempting to 'make something of my life' as what was apparently expected of me by my family and society, though all of my attempts ended up in me basically giving up within this feeling that I simply don't see the point. I didn't see the point of why I had to do all these things with my life, what is the purpose of life anyway.

this experience within myself, a sense of dissatisfaction with my life and not really knowing fully why or how I got to that point of feeling like I did, led me to start investigating into spirituality as the feeling that there must be something 'more' to life than what I was experiencing, a reason behind it all that I must have always been missing. I read books, I meditated, went to a meditation course (Vipassana), tried visualization, got into 'The Secret' (Law of Attraction) and eventually started doing research on the internet about various topics that seemed to go into the 'hidden reality of this world' like all the conspiracy theories, unexplained events, the paranormal, the supernatural, UFO's, cropcircles, etcetera in which I could dig deeper and deeper and deeper yet it never seemed to end. And I was just looking for something, some kind of answer, some kind of purpose, anything - because I had this experience within myself on not understanding who I am or what life is or why I am here.

And even though I meditated and participated in all the spiritual beliefs, I still didn't quite 'get it' - as to the 'why?' of everything, of this entire reality. Then I came across a video of Sunette 'portalling' Hitler from the afterlife - and the first thing that struck me was that this was definitely unlike anything I had ever come across. It's funny that even though here was this girl who could apparently leave her body completely and Hitler as a demon from the 'interdimensional existence' could step into her body entirely and speak to us on this youtube channel, as something that is in fact totally out of the ordinary - I still felt like this was the most real, honest and direct expression that I had ever seen/heard, maybe even in my entire life.

I immediately started investigating the Desteni material and found that their message was exactly what I had been looking for - because what they shared was not just one of many spiritual messages of love and light and divinity that is mostly based on belief, hope and pretty words, which had only seemed to be instilling this inner confusion only further. What they presented was an actual practical solution, a tool to work with, which is self forgiveness and writing to freedom - that anyone could apply for themselves to truly find out who self is. the only necessity was for me to find out for myself whether or not what they shared was real or not by applying the tools. And so I did - I started applying self forgiveness and I started writing myself to freedom and instantly I could see, within applying myself, that this 'works'.

I saw that this was the answer that I had always been looking for, the only answer that could ever be real - which was where I would, rather than meditating to some energy based on a belief or placing my hopes and expectations for a better life in the hands of some Guru, master or guide and their message of bliss and love, learn to take responsibility for myself and face myself as who I am completely. This is something that I have in some way always known to be the answer to 'life' as who I am though what had always been missing was the practical tools to do this - and these tools is what I found at Desteni.

Desteni did not expect me to believe in their message or to blindly follow them in their 'convictions', as opposed to what I had always experienced with all the beings in my life like my family, teachers and politicians - but they made it very clear that whether or not you will be effective in realizing who you really are as life itself as oneness and equality is completely dependent on your application of the tools, which is the point of self-responsibility.

this is the point that I have found to be all determining - having walked the process of self-realization since 2008. Because within me taking responsibility for me in every moment of breath, standing as me as the living statement of life itself - I determine and decide who I am, I decide my purpose. Therefore there is no more searching, hoping, expecting or longing for a 'purpose in life' as something separate from myself - as I am the purpose of life, within and as who I really am as I live here, within full awareness of who I am and within full responsibility of myself as the determining factor of my life.

Within applying these tools of self forgiveness, self honesty and self-corrective application, I have been able to permanently stop this experience of lostness, despair and uncertainty within myself as I realize that I am responsible for me, therefore I have the ability to stop all such experiences within myself - and the key has always been self-responsibility.

So, back to my initial question of 'why is it that I have been able to hear the Desteni message while others haven't?'. What I found is that I was open to try anything, to investigate anything, as I was determined to find out about life as what is going on in this world and who I am here - simply because I had lived a life that did not please me, I could not find anything that would make me feel good about myself anymore. It's like Desteni was my only option, my only 'Destiny' - so it's obvious that as long as people have things in their life that they do not want to give up, they will not consider that change is possible and even necessary. It's only when you lose everything that you will start looking for answers and start to open yourself up to the possibilities of what is here. This is the 'human nature' as the ego, wherein people will keep on participating in good, positive feelings as ignorance and unawareness as long as they possibly can - believing that this is who they really are, when really it is not.

So, what is necessary for humanity to start hearing Desteni as the message of change? Obviously what is necessary is for all of our lives to start collapsing, for us to lose the things/people in our lives that we keep holding onto within the belief that we need them to exist - so that we can realize that this is not who we really are and so we can stand up as the living expression of who we really are as life as oneness and equality within and as complete self-responsibility.

And why is this change necessary? Because if we do not start taking responsibility for who we are within ourselves, we are unable to really take responsibility for this world - and the result of that is what we are at the moment faced with, which is the complete destruction of this planet of earth due to to parasitic nature of the human ego that does not consider anything other than it's own personal feelings of happiness, bliss and love and that does not in fact see what is really going on in reality.

It's time we stand up and realize who we really are as life as self-responsible beings that take responsibility for all of life as what is here.
So visit Desteni, as it is our only destiny - and the destiny of earth.


Also investigate an Equal Money System - the new monetary system that will bring about heaven on earth so all living being may live in dignity!

Human Body is the Equal Money System

23 March 2010

By: Joseph

I was putting myself to use and thinking up of how a equal money system would work and so I said to myself, well this equal money system can't be too far from me, and I realized it wasn't, my body lives it everyday. The human physical body's principle is to consider the survival of every cell otherwise it would collapse on itself or in other words die. Since every organ of the body revolves around serving the cell (in our reality the human) we simply have to model the organs in the body into reality just the same.

So let's start with the cell which basically requires food as represented by oxygen and glucose to survive and natural water to keep it in balance. Something like the human needing air, water and food.

Well what delivers these elements? Blood - as represented by money. What moves blood? The heart of course. Basically which is what a monetary system is. Which increases and lowers the circulation as the brain sees fit.

Next up we have the brain which constantly survey's whether every cell is getting it's rightful share of oxygen glucose and water (and will signal to the human being to drink water, eat food, or drink more). So the Brain will be a mass of individual beings who survey resources, give orders to direct the resources so as to ensure the survival or everybody. They will organize the blood flow (money flow) to all parts of the body as well as monitoring food growth and distribution. They will also monitor and take into account the broad amount of activities happening.

Next thing we'll have to deal with is the excrement system. HUMAN BEINGS SHIT AND WASTE FROM EATEN FOOD AND EXCRETED FOOD NEEDS TO BE PROPERLY HANDLED AND RECYCLED. Which is where the liver, kidney, and lung systems come in, where dangerous materials like poisonous yet "necessary" chemicals are manufactured and recycled. Lungs to get rid of human body waste andd....I'm going a little long here but you get the point. I'm pretty sure there are a variable amount of people who wouldn't hate dealing with waste and stuffs.

The muscles do just that, human beings creating structures that we require or desire or need to assist with living and etc. People who are architects and like to build stuff.

So post here your insights on the connection of the one and equal human body to a money system and discuss the exact mechanisms of the brain as direction of the money system and liver and etc as waste system management. http://desteni.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=292&t=16492

post taken from the Desteni website

Why Equal Money?

By Bernard Poolman


Equal money will serve as a symbol that gives each person on an individual level a way to protect their rights as an equal human and will delegate power to the individual in an astoundingly effective way

As it will be by matter of principle the right of each one to receive the required/agreed funds each month, --the moment some one do not receive it, the administrators will be informed and as a matter of principle no monthly equal money resource may be withheld for any reason whatsoever


The equal money resource will only be valid for food, shelter, education, communication ,travel and all functions related to the healthy development of the family and individual within a global system

with this enshrined--no fear of each other will exist

Violation of the right to life by any individual will be dealt with through a reconciliation and mediation council

because the individual will directly be able to participate in the securing of basic needs, the fear of control through technology will not be a major concern

Whether money or credits are used is rather irrelevant as it is only a name

the fact though is that the fear to be without money is quite deeply embedded in society and it will be best to use the symbols all has come to accept that represent wealth and security - MONEY

From a psychological view, that will be a lot easier to overcome deeply held distrust between the former rich and poor

with having neither rich or poor-- society will develop on the principle of self respect and respect of each other based on integrity and a name social norm foundation will develop